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Vincent Van Der Weerden's avatar

Andrew why the do you think the progerssives where more successful in securing their vision in the ECUSA, Scandinavian Lutheran churches, reformed churches on the continent and Church of Scotland compared the COE? What did progressives do right in those churches compared to their counterparts in COE?

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Rachel Stone's avatar

You’re right about Save the Parish’s figures not adding up – I noticed that their flowchart on where the money goes (https://www.savetheparish.com/church-of-england-finances/) doesn’t mention the £120 million that the Church Commissioners spend on clergy pensions. The massive problem with funding those has always been that most clergy and spouses are clean-living enough that smoking/drinking etc don’t carry them off prematurely as often as other pensioners. And given that it’s increasingly hard to get any volunteers for administrative posts (churchwarden/treasurer) even in flourishing parishes, I think Tim Wyatt’s right that returning more management of assets to them isn’t going to work.

I suspect that the hard line evangelicals would be willing to leave the Church of England, whose “brand” isn’t really important to them, but they would want to take their church buildings with them. That was the big issue when ACNA left ECUSA, and I suspect that’s likely to be the sticking point for the C of E progressives.

The only way I can see the progressives surviving is by amalgamating congregations in towns and then selling off redundant churches. As ECUSA show, in larger towns and cities you can build a decent congregation who want a mix of reasonably traditional litany and community-building for social action. (I’ve attended worship at ECUSA churches a few times, and that is very much their constituency).

Do C of E progressives have any ideas for rural ministry? Could you get enough married gay priests and women priests financially supported by their partners to make them willing to take on a NSM and “house for duty” role in a rural parish, which is cheaper to fund? That seems to be how the Episcopal church in Scotland sustains some rural presence, as well as by using retired priests as NSMs.

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